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Frederick Tatala's avatar

The frightening part is that social media has accelerated all of this exponentially. Young people especially are absorbing emotionally charged narratives long before they develop the intellectual tools necessary to analyze what assumptions, omissions, and manipulations are hidden underneath the arguments they are consuming.

That is why teaching people how to think may ultimately become even more important than teaching them what to think.

Liora Jacob's avatar

Hmm…. If Jews are NOT included in the “European American” category, how can they simultaneously be considered “white European colonizers”?

Jim Pence's avatar

David Duke does not consider Jews to be white Europeans

Kayla's avatar

We are Shroedinger's White

To the far left, we are ultra white extra super oppressor villains

To the far right, we are contaminated, dirty, not white.

Duke is on the 2nd team.

mzk1's avatar

Jews are part of whichever group is being attacked. To the white racists we are not white. To the POC racists, we are not POC - even when we are.

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

Interestin'ly (enemies make strange bedfellows!), 'twas David Duke who admitted ta the Nazi-joo-hater crowd that his own research disproved the Khazarian (bull-oney) theory b/c our jewish genetics show a DIRECT line ta the Levant, includin' fer all Ashkenazim.... I wuz so gob-smacked I'd saved the links an' fer 3+ years would send 'em ta haters (see, even yer Grand WhizzErd sez it's debunked). Fer reasons unknown DD's website is hard-DOWN but if it ever shews up again here are the old links:

https://davidduke.com/new-genetic-study-confirms-racial-basis-judaism/

https://davidduke.com/rethinking-khazar-theory/

In reaction to his firmly disprovin' the Khazarian bullshart, many known haters jus' lost their own shart... Lorraine Day wuz one an' (jooish-born anti-semite) Henry Makow!

https://henrymakow.com/2014/05/Feckless-Goyim-Downplay-Protocols-of-Zion.html

Oh Henry not known disses Duke (sayin' he must be on drugs) but Duke himself said the Protocols of Zion were (as we know) fakery (an' fukery by the Russkies lol). An' Nazi Michael Hoffman chimed in! So Makow had ta double down on the TROOTH of the Proty-Culls. Yep, jooish born Makow dissed Duke sayin' Duke didn't hate us jooze enuf! How DARE Duke dismiss Koestler (an'nuther one...oy) AND the Protocols too?!

Now yer wonderin' WHY I'd paste this interestin' stuff 'bout Devil Duke HERE when yer workin' on showin' how devilish & insidious his argue-mints an' how young'uns will be led astray, lackin' the background (an' backbone) ta speak articulately AGAINST Duke's assertions.

AH, the reason why Duke seems SO compellin' & convincin' as he SEEMS to dismiss even dearly-held conspire-assies in favor of legit studies & facts & research unlike his blind-hater CON-patriots. Of all people ta pernt out Elder, yer RIGHT it's gotta be Duke. Not (f)Ucker Qatarlson who knows squat an' contraDICKS himself daily... Duke. B/c that evil man is 300% smarter an' duz not feel at all "toppled" by facts. He is double-plus-BAD/evil an' yet, I admire his bein' able ta admit that both the Khazarian origins theory & Proty-culls are full out cut-from-whole-cloth lies.

THAT is the kind of enemy that our young'uns need ta have the SKILLS ta debate--easy ta dismiss the likes of Dave Smith but not Duke. (kin I shake a grogger at 'im?! He's still ALIVE!)

ps this one is a good read fwiw

https://www.presentwitness.org/content/why-i-do-not-believe-in-the-khazar-theory

Elder of Ziyon's avatar

Of COURSE Duke rejects the Khazar theory. To him everything is race, and Jews are the inferior race. If we were Khazars, that means we are white Aryan Europeans, HIS people. He can never accept that. So I think you give him a little too much credit for honesty.

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

I see yer pernt Elder but hiz old schtick WUZ that we were all Khazars--he wuz ridin' that old nag fer YEARS--thus hard ta argue that he could never accept that--he did! So possibly he had a V8 moment an' said DANG--if joos are Khazars we're white like hiz-royal self but I'm not convinced--honestly Turkick / Ottomans ain't really "WHite..."--he'd likely distance himself from all things Turkey (c'ept mebbe lousy Butterballs). Ruther (methinks) there wuz none of that an' simply a begrudgin' wreck-og-nition he wuz wrong an' THEN he'd figger out how ta weaponize his new take. I hate ta give 'im credit fer much but ironically his ownin' it gave me sum mileage! When I'd de-bunk Koestler citin' random studies I got pushback but Golly Moses, show that Duke EVEN admitted it an' I saw comment-turds back down! So whutever his rotten reasons fer doin' anything includin' breathin' the air.... I kin say his belated admission (however arch yer seein' it) did sum unplanned good! (I consider it a mitzvah when ANYBUDDY however grumpily recognizes our genetic connection ta Israel ;-) T'was a good stack an' I'm eager ta hear how we kin fix this ideological rootless mess our young'uns are in... but I wuz durn displeased ta know that Duke's still alive :-(

Kayla's avatar

This is in part, how Hamas has won the battle of minds in much of the Western left

"the most durable influence does not fight against your values. It borrows them."

Daniel's avatar

Most people can't refute him because much of what he states in mainstream interviews is irrefutable. It's not that people today aren't equipped to debunk or rebut his claims--people are rarely equipped to do so at any time--it's that the audience doesn't hear the rest of what he has to say; namely, the Jews this and the Jews that. Ironically, his true colors (haha) are shown in contrast to those of competing white advocacy groups like American Renaissance, which have in the past included Jews and strictly prohibit antisemitism and clowns like The Duck of Death (Unforgiven reference).

Kid Charlemagne's avatar

A mind is a terrible thing to have. Because you might use and do some good.

G. L. Ford's avatar

Sneaky: “there are hundreds of organizations that defend and support the perceived interest of the Jewish community, in fact, the foreign nation of Israel.” And that’s how we get synagogues attacked because of Gaza.

Liora Jacob's avatar

Jews are simultaneously excluded from the “European American“ category, yet are still designated as “white colonizers” from Europe.

Who said Jew hatred was ever rational….

G. L. Ford's avatar

Just as an aside.

Raffi Klausner's avatar

I'm still not sure what Duke's conclusion of his argument actually is. What is he advocating that is objectionable?

Elder of Ziyon's avatar

That's exactly my point. It all sounds reasonable. But it is racist. The point is to identify exactly how what he is saying is racist.

Raffi Klausner's avatar

I know he's a racist, but I don't think anything he said in that except is racist. It's just that he's being disingenuous.

mzk1's avatar

I most definitely am.

mzk1's avatar

I would agree with his entire argument; in fact it describes a situation Jews have been suffering from since at least the 60's. It's his conspiracy theory based "facts" that I disagree with. It's where he intends to take it that I disagree with.

As Prof. Hansen points out, the percentage of Jews in Stanford used to be 30%. Now the entire percentage of white males, Jewish or not, is 8%. (Yes, I know a lot of Jews who are not described as "white males", but the majority of Jewish males in CA would be. A majority has been cobbled together to include everyone but white males, and Jewish males have been stuck within it.)